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me, aton is becoming, to case study in assistance. >> this week on "inside washington." dissecting the boston bombings. >> on three separate occasions we have asked for more information. >> chemical weapons in syria. >> it is obvious that red line has been crossed. >> sequestration and flight delays, congress gets the message. could this mess have been avoided? >> the in ministration is implementing sequestration. >> at the dedication of the
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george w. bush library, politics takes a backseat. >> esther president, for your courage, humor, and most of all, love of your country, thank you very much. >> and how to win a political debate without even trying. >> where do you stand on the semen? >> in 2011, russia reportedly expressed concerns about tamerlan tsarnaev. the russians thought that he may have become radicalized. therefore they asked for his name to be added to a terrorist list. he spent six months and russia.
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upon his return, his name triggers an alarm on the u.s. customs trigger system but the fbi what is underwear because his name has been misspelled i'd travel document, so he slipped through the cracks. >> this suspected radical islamists is able to back to russia without the fbi or the cia being made aware of it, even though homeland security was. that system failure almost 12 years after 9/11. >> senator lindsey graham of south carolina goes on to say that the man talked about killing americans for months and engaging in radical jihad against the united states. we were unable to connect the dots, he says. we learn that he and his younger brother had also planned to target times square next. the older brother died in issue and with police. the no. 1 is now in custody, has been moved from a boston
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hospital to a federal prison facility. the, you know about intelligence business. does lindsey graham have a case here? >> as an know. intelligence services fail all the time, even the good ones. because intelligence is so hard. you are looking for needles in haystacks. the relevant question is how many things have they stopped? yes, this one got through, but i think they stopped a lot of stuff, too. >> i would agree with that. it is not as if he was never on their radar, he was. that is both good and bad. we almost got this one right but i do not think this was an intelligence failure. i do think it was a bit of a screw up but we will learn something from it. i do not think -- from this i do not take the same position that we were in the time of 9/11.
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we are much more likely to get it right. >> almost got this one right, charles? >> no, was not a failure, obviously. four people are dead, many maimed for life. this is a very hard thing to get 100% right. we stopped a lot of plots. this was a screw up because people did not speak to each other. what appalls me is what was in our control, which was the fact we gave the our current terrorist his miranda rights after a short period of questioning, 16 hours, when under the constitutionally- allowed public safety exception, which even this administration accepts and extends to 48 hours, but that we stop him in mid interrogation, the guy that knows stuff, and he told us about new york and times square. we had no idea.
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that is an appalling mistake on the part of the administration. it is not the bill in a haystack, it is terrible governance. >> two issues, mark? >> last week in boston the president said to those who carry this out, we will find you within 24 hours. they were found. it was an impressive, coordinated, professional achievement. i think the question that gnaws at all of us is, these are home grown. these were people who were here. the russians did ask in 2011, he did go back for six months, nobody has come up with what went on in those six months that made him change, so that is a cause for concern. what happened here?
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in cambridge, mass., where the kids were encouraged, you have the armor one that got a scholarship from the city. he seemed to be adjusted, assimilated, part of the community. >> is part because we do not know what happened in dagestan, how they were able to construct a weapon, not a primitive one, extremely difficult to use a remote control from a toy car. it is because of all those questions that is a standard that we read him his miranda rights. >> i take issue to that. when you say that he was allowed 48 hours, they did have 48 hours. 16 hours was a period of questioning, not being in custody. i have no idea whether they stop getting information, you do not
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either. i am not prepared to critique this when we know there certainly beers enough to convict him. should he be tried as an enemy combatant? >> no, you have to preserve some rights. something about this guy -- he is a hapless teenager. his brother -- even hapless teenagers can know something when they are in a plot with their brother. plot -- i have great respect for ray kelly, the police commissioner in new york, but it seemed to be almost a spontaneous idea, new york. as far as the information, the best report i have seen is " it is published in
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yemen by al qaeda on how to assemble bombs and how to put them together. >> what is scary is how easy this is. a couple of kids can bring a city absolutely to a standstill with a couple of pressure cookers. it is not that hard to do. sincet has been the fear 9/11. >> you are underplaying the sophistication of this device. a pressure cooker, anybody can do it. experts who know about this say this is not stop that you can do out of a manual. you are overwhelmingly likely to have had training. he was over there for six months. dagestan is the hottest spot in terms of terror, aside from
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chechnya. we had a means of getting information and we blew it. >> it is not hard to get trained. these bombs go off all the time there. >> who was there, how to another sleepers are not out there? >> you do not. >> chemical weapons in syria possible war. >> the u.s. intelligence community assesses but some degree and varying confidence that the syrian regime has used chemical weapons on a small scale. >> provide a safe area for the opposition to operate, to establish a no-fly zone, and to provide weapons to the people in the resistance who we trust. >> senator mccain says that the red line has been crossed. what about his recommendation, should the president taken up on that? >> i think the recommendation is a bit heavy, but the
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administration is in a box. when they tell the world that this is a game changer and then his secretary of defense announces that the line has been crossed, and then it turns out when chuck hagel was given options, he said, i have not even been asked to give the president options, you have to wonder what the word 0 obama is worth in the world when he says, you cross a line and the world will respond. he cannot put our country in a position where his words mean nothing. >> red line crossed? what do you do? >> apparently it has been crossed, not the first time it has happened. the british and french of all written to the united nations alleging that these chemical weapons have been used in the suburbs of aleppo and damascus against rebels. maybe we are heading to the point where the cost of doing
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nothing becomes greater than the cost of doing something. >> about charles argument, if you will not tolerate this -- 'other loveon charles of the week, george bush, there will be a higher standard for conclusive proof and evidence before we plunge into another war in that particular region. >> it is clear obama was to stay out of this. he has had a lot of pressure on him. all the signals are i do not want to do this. i do not blame him. it is a simple. yes, their argument for going in there, but history tells you, when we intervene in syria, bad things happen. >> if you say, this is it, you cannot go beyond this point, and then they go beyond the point and you do not do anything. >> it is a perfectly valid point, but it is also provoked a
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ballad that this place is a sinkhole. you do not have control of your weapons and the people who are now in control, by and large, are really well trained extremists, terrorists, jihadists, not the kind of people that we like doing business with. >> he has gone from guns to tanks to planes to chemical weapons. this is a guy -- >> my colleagues assume that the only answer is to land the marines on the shore of syria. the main place we should have been involved in is arming those rebels with whom we have confidence. it is scandalous that we have not. >> let me change the subject. i want to talk about sequestration and flight delays. can you think of a better way to
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get the public fired up than leaving them on the tarmac or languishing at the gate for hours? ladies and gentlemen, congress feels your pain and thursday night after most members have left the capitol for a well- deserved week off they cannot keep up the pace for ever. they did pass legislation to end the furloughs of the air-traffic controllers and the house has green lighted it. single democrat or republican opposed this. that just tells you, bring it together. .his is an evolving story nih projects about to be researched to cure an illness? no, this involves the congress going out for a week. they will all be flying on planes, the one that do not have private planes available to them, so something had to be done. >> and never go home to constituents who would be flying on planes.
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this was not going to be a nice time for them. >> are these people cynical or what? >> selfishly ungrateful. >> on monday i was a victim of a sequester. it was announced over the intercom that our plane was delayed because of air traffic controllers, a result of the cuts. then the attended came over to me and repeated it, looking right at me. i said, are you holding the personally responsible? i said, actually you should, i was in favor of the sequestered. >> well, you took credit. the george bush presidential library opened up this week. an all-star cast. >> franklin roosevelt dedicated -- talked about the dedication of library as a sign of faith. i dedicate this as a sign of unshakable faith for our country. >> all living presidents were
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there, including bush 41, at the george bush presidential library on the campus of the southern methodist university. all former presidents had nice things to say about bush 43. history treat him? >> better than he was treated while in office. there is an inevitable revisionist history for ex- president's. he will get treated better than he was. that does not mean that he will be on mount rushmore or anything. he will be held accountable for wars that did not go well. >> charlie, i read your column, i imagine you want to put him up there on mount rushmore? 22%, scorn,ft with and the reason is because he left in the middle of the korean war, which, in the end, killed 10 times as many people as those
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that died in iraq. now we still have threats of nuclear war from korea. yet, history has looked at him, and the larger picture, the man that established the structures of the cold war, which correa was a small part. he established the institution that won the cold war. bush will be looked at as a man that left in the middle of an inconclusive war, one that was extremely unpopular, but he did it establish the anti-terror institutions which obama has adopted, and which until last week, have prevented any bombing of any size in the u.s. for 12 years. i think that will persist and that is his legacy. he kept us safe and left us with the institution that continue to keep us safe. georgeles is going to be bush cost david mccullough, highly viereck regarded by the fist of harry truman, celebrated
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by most americans. he had a lot more to work with in terms of raw material. truman saved berlin, europe with the marshall plan, he desegregated the united states military, which had been segregated completely for 1075 years. he built nato. man, alwaysarkable on the side of those who were not the powerful and affluent. i agree, he will bounce back, george w. bush. americans do looked fondly in the real in the mirror. bill clinton left office with 39% approval having pardoned the on powerball mark rich, and now he is one of the more popular figures in the country. w probably goes up. >> there was a poll of historians lately. he has a way to go before he
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bounces back seriously. he used up a surplus and made a huge deficit, took us into war that was, in my view, unnecessary, and i think history will not look fondly on him. >> on a personal level, so smart and wise to lay low like this. >> it is not wise, it is a matter of character. the reason he chose to, that is who he is. he thought, i had my innings, i ought to give respect to my office and successor, even as his successor kept attacking him month after month into his presidency. it was not only in the election of 2008. incredible restrained and dignity. bush said nothing. i think that is a matter of character, not just political choice. bush deprive the democrats,
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to a large degree of integrity. it is fair to say barack obama twice chose to run against him in 2008 and 2012. i thought the most adroit political move was president obama endorsing president bush's leadership on immigration and saying that this was his legacy, and let's vindicate his vision. grassley, ahuck ranking member of the senate judiciary said, after the boston bombings, all this talk about immigration reform, it is time to look at immigration laws and policies already in place to make sure we are addressing national security issues. >> the bombings have implications on terror policy, implications on the miranda rule and all of that. it does not have any implications in reality of immigration.
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i know is being used left and right but you will have immigrants, going back to the early 19th century, 20th- unexpected is not and it is the price of immigration, of which the good that we get from immigrants far weighs theseut feelings of this affection or violence. >> amazingly, we sit here week after week talking about how washington is dysfunctional. this is the first time i thought they would do something. the stars are in alignment. really, the republicans cannot afford to bid anti-immigration. >> i am not sure the house will go along with it. wiser headsthe end, will prevail in policy and political terms but it is a
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moment -- i do not think the votes are there on the republican side in the house to do this. >> the best news this week, -- your point about the house is valid -- is paul ryan came out strongly. i think he could be key. he can make the argument on fiscal grounds as well, which will be one of the opposition's principle criticisms of the proposal. i do think republicans in the senate -- there are enough votes to pass it very strongly. if it comes with 75 votes, it will be awfully tough to duck it in the house. >> what will probably happen is house republican will produce a version something like the senate but stronger on enforcement, and then it would go to congress. if you could tweak it so that there is more enforcement, it would pass. the fact is there is no argument about republicans over all to
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the legalization. the only issue is how you make sure that the democrats, who talk about enforcement, but on the side implied they have no interest in closing the border, that you actually put in trigger that will cause serious border control. that is the argument right now. >> what a tragedy it would be if it immigration reform was collateral damage from the marathon bombings. >> you have 70% of republicans saying in the exit polls they wanted to deport people living here undocumented. you say there is no resistance -- the congress gets there one way, they are elected and they have to win republican primaries. if you have to redo two guys who think they are going to lose the only way theyhe can win is by sabotaging --
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>> the issue will be decided in the congress long before you have a primary. among the republicans in the congress now, the only argument is about enforcement, not amnesty. >> actually, it is about legalization, too. >> barbara bush suggested that perhaps there have been enough bushes in the white house. i wonder how jeb bush felt about that? he looked like a pretty strong candidate. >> haley barbour said that if his last name was brown, he would be leading the field right now. haley barbour is a pretty good guy. barbara bush may be onto something. three times would be one time too many. >> max baucus lead in the caucus, mark sanford try to get in. >> where do you stand on stimulus? her answer would be very
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different from the way that i have stood for a while on the whole notion of bringing our financial house in order. >> mark sanford, a candidate for a cardboard debated cutout. his opponent will only give him one debate next week. you do not get any back talk when you do that. >> he was inspired by clint eastwood's performance of the chair of the republican national convention. right now, mark sanford is less popular in this district where mitt romney got 56% of the vote, than barack obama. the most popular figure in that district is not a elizabeth busch or any other democrat or republican, it is jenny sanford, and that is who he is running against, his former wife. she is not helping him, believe me. >> max baucus leaving the senate, can he be scared?
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>> it republicans have a good shot of taking his seat. there for the cause of the republicans taking control in the senate in 2014 just went up. max baucus was one of the most beloved members of the senate on the democratic side. they thought he had a new goal for a spine and he had an important job, chairman of the finance committee. in that sense, they will miss him as a member, not as a person. barack obama was to have max baucus be the lead guy on his health care. the one reason why this is so theyed up is because created this monster in the u.s. senate. max baucus could not control the process. >> the country will miss him on tax reform, which it has not had in a quarter-century and in which he was extremely intent on trying to get. it recapitulation of what
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happened in 1986 between tip o'neill and ronald reagan, where you reduce rates. that helped to lead to a quarter century of economic prosperity. >> he still has time. >> he has spoken about the thing that he wants to accomplish and to leave the legacy, but the problem is, obama is not interested. if he is not, it is not going to happen. >> montana, the governor who just left office, enormously popular, he will have better than even chance to keep that seat for democrats. >> you get the last word. thanks. see you next week.
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